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10:43 pm
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bossette détente p210
Je rencontre un problème sur mon P210.
Lors de l’action sur la détente il m’arrive de plus en plus souvent que le coup parte sans avoir senti la bossette (départ filant).
Après des essais de tirs à sec, je m’aperçois que lorsque j’arrive a prendre contact avec la bossette et que je relâche la détente, le bec de gâchette reste en position sur le chien te ne revient pas dans sa position initiale.
Tous les ressorts sont à leur place et ont l’air en bon état.
Des avis ou expériences sur la question ? J’ai expliqué le fonctionnement du levier du point d’arrêt (Druckpunkthebel) ici. Ceci dit, je te conseille de le laisser en paix. Ce dont tu te plains arrive bien souvent aux pistolets Neuhausen faits pour le tir de précision et dotés des ressorts allégés. Il serait plus prudent de tenter une substitution des Druckpunktplatten d’ordonnance, s’il t’arrive de trouver des pièces détachées pour ton P210. En aucun cas, il ne faut jamais limer les pièces de la fabrication tardive, “im MIM-Verfahren”. Le levier du point d’arrêt, pièce n° 21, est responsable pour la réglementation de la transition entre les deux étapes de la détente de la P210. Après la détente, pièce n° 28, engage la gâchette, pièce n° 23, par le moyen de l’étrier de la détente, pièce n° 26, la première étape de la détente est déterminé principalement par le ressort de la détente, pièce n° 31, avec une résistance supplémentaire fourni par le ressort de gachette, pièce n° 24. Pendant sa rotation autour de la goupille, pièce n° 22, la gachette apporte en arrière le chien, pièce n° 14, et touche le levier du point d’arrêt, pièce n° 21. à ce moment, le levier du point d’arrêt relie la gâchette avec le ressort de percussion, pièce n° 20, procurant une résistance supplémentaire considérable dans la deuxième et dernière étape de la détente, juste avant le relâchement du chen par la gâchette.
La méthode d’ajustement du levier du point d’arrêt.
(Cliquez ici pour une meilleure résolution.)Le levier du point d’arrêt est installé individuellement à la main par rapport à la gâchette et le chien, afin de régler le point de pression (Druckpunkt) de la détente. Si le point de pression est trop mou, c’est à dire si la seconde étape de la détente doit être renforcée, les surfaces supérieures des deux bras de soutien les plus éloignés de l’axe de pivotement du levier du point d’arrêt, pièce n° 22 ci-dessus, doivent être également travaillé avec une pierre à l’huile au point de leur contact avec le corps de la platine, pièce n° 13. Cette opération rapproche le levier du point d’arrêt à la gâchette. Pendant cet rapprochement, les deux côtés du levier du point d’arrêt doivent faire leur contact avec le corps de la platine au même temps. Le corps de la platine lui-même ne devrait pas être modifié. Si le point de pression est trop dur, c’est à dire si la seconde étape de la détente doit être affaiblie, les deux projections en plein milieu du levier du point d’arrêt situés de chaque côté de la tige du ressort de percussion, pièce n° 16, doivent être également travaillé avec une pierre à l’huile au point de leur engagement par la gâchette, pièce n° 23, pendant le pression sur la détente. Cette opération retarde l’engagement du levier du point d’arrêt avec la gâchette. Dans l’accomplissement de cette opération, les projections sur le levier du point d’arrêt doivent faire leur contact avec le corps de la platine au même temps. La gâchette ne devrait pas être modifiée. Ne tentez jamais aucune modification de ces pièces, sinon vous n’êtes pas certain de votre compétence armurière.
Dans la production tardive, les pièces forgées et durcies profondement ont été remplacées par les pièces de formation par l’injection de métal moulé (MIM), avec leurs profils légèrement modifiées. Cette image est tirée d’Armbruster, p. 193:
Leviers du point d’arrêt utilisés dans la production SIG P210.
(Cliquez ici pour une meilleure résolution.)Les leviers n° 1-4 sont forgés et durcis profondement. À partir de n° 2, la zone située entre les pointes de la pression antérieures et postérieures a été renforcée par l’addition de matériaux. Le levier n° 5 est la dernière version, réalisée par injection de métal moulé. Comme toutes les pièces de formation MIM, ces leviers sont durcis superficiellement. Ils sont donc impropres à l’ajustement avec une pierre à l’huile, qui coupe à travers de leur durcissement et expose le métal mou dans des surfaces de travail.
Tags: french, guns, p210
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01:53 am
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sig p210 prices
The P210 has been out of production since December of 2005. According to Fjestad’s 2004 Blue Book of Gun Values, the last MSRP at that time was $2,695.00 for the P210-6 and $3,031.00 for the extended barrel P210-5, with a $124.00 premium charged for the P210-6S and P210-5S versions with a lateral magazine release. The top of the line, polished P210-1 cost $1,861.00 in 2002, whereas the basic sandblasted P210-2 model cost $1,680.00. According to the Swiss price list of 1986 reproduced by Armbruster, at the time one could buy a P210-1 for 2,620.00 CHf, a P210-2 for 1,765.00 and a 65.00 CHf surcharge for wood stocks, a P210-5 for 2,600.00 CHf likewise, a P210-6 for 1,895.00 CHf likewise, with a 10.00 CHf or a 245.00 CHf surcharge for a contrast or a micrometer sight, and a P210-L for 5,920.00 CHf to 9,345.00 CHf, depending on the engraving pattern and stock carving. The Swiss Frank exchange rate ranged between 1.66 and 2.00 CHf per dollar in 1986. As of today, it is about 1.02 CHf per dollar.
The current availability of spare parts for the P210 in Europe is as follows. Swiss Arms stocks centerfire magazines, plastic Hi-Grips and checkered walnut stocks, and a full complement of sights and accessories therefor. Additionally, Wyss has trigger springs, 120mm barrels in 9mm Para, and aftermarket micrometer rear sights made by Swiss gunsmith Stefan Dobler and recently approved for use in the Swiss service pistol competitions, whereas Lagardere has 120mm barrels in 7.65 Para and 9x21 IMI, 150mm barrel assemblies in 9 Para, factory pattern walnut stocks, and magazines for .22 l.r. conversion kits. These parts are very costly at the moment. For example, Swiss Arms and their authorized dealers in Switzerland offer the OEM micrometer rear sight for 380.00 CHf, or around $375.00 according to the current exchange rate, whereas the asking price for the LPA and Dobler sights in Germany is 128.00 Euros or around $191.00. A few years back new old stock 120mm P210 barrels sold online for around $200.00 apiece, or $350.00 for the 150mm barrel assembly with a Patridge front sight mounted in a removable carrier. Today, fair prices for the same parts are upwards of $800.00 and $1,300.00, respectively. While retail prices are lower in Europe, the costs of importing a single part regulated by European law and ATF import division alike are prohibitive. All inbound foreign gun parts shipments containing rifled barrels and/or valued at over $100.00 are subject to import licensing by the BATF. In my experience, these regulations are enforced vigorously but fairly. Violate them not only at your own risk, but to the common detriment of your fellow enthusiasts. A litany of import and export licenses, shipping, and duty along with a summary of my importing experience, linked to relevant online resources, is posted here. The correct English, French, and German designations of SIG P210 parts can be found here, accompanied by my notes on their fit, function, and variations.
Tags: guns, p210
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01:14 pm
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importing guns
I have imported guns from Switzerland and am about to import from Germany. Here is a current summary of my experience, linked to relevant online resources:- Research comparable values. Study all relevant web pages in the foreign top level domain of your concern. In my case, an interest in the SIG P210 calls for all Kessler catalogs and price lists. Here is a search query composed in accordance with my interests. Bear in mind that all long-distance purchases involve a risk. With market prices abroad on items of my interest running between a quarter and a half of market prices for comparable items stateside, my risks are well justified. Likewise in cases when such items cannot be had locally for love or money.
- Find an export agent. Your best bet for finding an agent willing and able to handle your firearms lot for export from the foreign country is online auctions. For example, the Swiss dealers selling on Gunbroker include AfA and swissdagger. Make sure that your export agent understands the legal requirements for shipping firearms to the U.S. Also make sure that he has the right connections to do so. For example, Swiss law no longer allows shipping firearms by mail. Many common carriers follow suit, refusing to accept firearm shipments, unless the sender cultivates a "special relationship" with them.
- Choose wisely. Generally you will have to pay for your firearms before you can apply for export and import licenses. The firearms you import must be deemed suitable for "sporting use" and attested as having remained in the country from which you are exporting them for the past five years. Only civilian firearms and foreign military firearms that qualify as curios and relics can be imported. U.S. military firearms cannot be re-imported.
- Select a U.S.-based importer. I am paying through the nose for import licenses and international courier services, but Andrew Zink (AfA) and Stefan Mahrer (swissdagger) have access to common carriers and less costly importers. Make sure that the importer that your export agents recommend will mark your gun discreetly, e.g. inside the magazine well or under the stocks.
- Stay legal. ATF requires licensure of both the importer and the import itself via the ATF form 6 application. Of special importance on this application are items 19 through 24, which discuss release of the firearms shipment from Customs custody. Also of importance is the form 6A, which must be presented to Customs at the time of its entry. ATF Form 6 s only good for occasional private imports via an FFL holder, for your personal use, but no one will stop you from reselling some of your personally imported guns after a while.
- Understand the tariff classification and duty rate of firearms. See the Harmonized Tariff Schedule of the United States (2009), SECTION XIX: Chapter 93: Arms and ammunition; parts and accessories thereof. Special classification and duty treatment are afforded to firearms meeting the collector's interest and/or antique provisions of SECTION XXI: Chapter 97: Works of art, collectors' pieces and antiques. In addition to duty and applicable taxes, Customs collect user fees such as MPF (Merchandise Process Fee) equal to 0.21% of the entered value, with a $25 minimum, and a $485 maximum, and HMF (Harbor Maintenance Fee) equal to 0.125% of the entered value, with no minimum or maximum, and only applied on importations via seafreight.
- Consider using a broker. A licensed customs broker located at the port of entry will be able to submit the license and release documents locally. National Customs Brokers Association lists local associations of individual brokers. Port of entry information is available from U.S. Customs. Import brokers charge a fee for a Customs entry, plus charges for messenger services where applicable. Brokers may also charge a fee for government agency submissions, its amount depending on the complexity of the agency requirements. Additionally, a customs bond will be required, either as a continuous bond for ongoing imports over a calendar year or as single entry bonds per each instance of importation.
Good luck. Please feel free to pose further questions and requests via email or phone.
Tags: guns, manurhin, mr73, p210
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03:15 pm
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notes on the sig p210 parts diagram
( Read more... )References: Erwin Armbruster & Werner Kessler, Begegnungen mit einer Legende — SIG SP 47/8 / P 210, Kessler Waffen AG, 2007 Lorenz Vetter, Das grosse Buch der SIG-Pistolen, Motorbuch Verlag/Verlag Stocker-Schmid, 1995, ISBN 3-7276-7123-8 H.P. Doebeli, Die SIG Pistolen, Motorbuch Verlag, 1981, ISBN 3-87943-739-4 — The author thanks Paul Kümin for his indispensable contributions of information incorporated in this article.
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11:44 pm
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to a european gun collector
I am more of an accumulator than a collector, and either have long since ceased being a European, or never was one in the first place, depending on the truth of Metternich’s quip that “Asien beginnt auf der Landstraße”. But I buy guns in Europe now and then, most of them being Swiss and French pistols. So here are my recommendations.
The U.S. Constitution recognizes the fundamental right of the people to keep and bear arms. That right is even more important to Europeans, whose countries suffered from tyranny and genocide in ways unknown to Americans. A hypothetical postulation by Alexander Solzhenitsyn illustrates the best reasons for civilian arms ownership in this footnote to The GULAG Archipelago:
Как потом в лагерях жгло: а что, если бы каждый оперативник, идя ночью арестовывать, не был бы уверен, вернётся ли он живым, и прощался бы со своей семьёй? Если бы во времена массовых п о с а д о к, например в Ленинграде, когда сажали четверть города, люди бы не сидели по своим норкам, млея от ужаса при каждом хлопке парадной двери и шагах на лестнице,—а поняли бы, что терять им уже дальше нечего, и в своих передних бодро бы делали засады по несколько человек с топорами, молотками, кочергами, с чем придется? Ведь заранее известно, что эти ночные картузы не с добрыми намерениями идут—так не ошибёшься, хрястнув по душегубцу. Или тот воронок с одиноким шофёром, оставшийся на улице—угнать его либо скаты проколоть. Органы быстро бы не досчитались сотрудников и подвижного состава, и несмотря на всю жажду Сталина—остановилась бы проклятая машина!
Если бы… если бы… Не хватало нам свободолюбия. А еще прежде того—осознания истинного положения. Мы истратились в одной безудержной вспышке семнадцатого года, а потом СПЕШИЛИ покориться, С УДОВОЛЬСТВИЕМ покорялись. […] Мы просто ЗАСЛУЖИЛИ всё дальнейшее. |
And how we burned in the camps later, wondering: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive, and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during the periods of sweeps, as for example in Leningrad, when they imprisoned a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their burrows, swooning with terror at every slam of the front door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up ambush in the hallway, of several people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were up to no good going out at night—and you would do no wrong cracking the skull of a cutthroat. Or what about the Black Maria sitting out in the street with one lonely chauffeur—what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of manpower and transport and, despite all of Stalin’s thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!
If only… if only… We didn’t love freedom enough. And above all—we had no awareness of the real situation. We spent ourselves in one unrestrained outburst in 1917, and then we hurried to submit, submitting with pleasure! […] We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterwards. |
In our country, Judge Alex Kozinski, a Jewish refugee from Eastern Europe, epitomized this argument in his dissent in Silveira v. Lockyer:The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime routinely do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed—where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once. A personally owned military firearm is the most potent token of freedom available to the citizen of a constitutional republic. As such, it is eminently suitable for turning into a centerpiece of a collection. Every good collection tells a story. The best way to get the idea of this storytelling is to pick up the book by Krzysztof Pomian, Collectionneurs, amateurs, et curieux: Paris, Venise: XVIe–XVIIIe siècle, Paris: Gallimard, 1987, translated as Collectors and Curiosities: Paris and Venice, 1500-1800, Polity Press, 1991. (The French edition is still available, but the translation is out of print.) There are three gun brands that tell a great story: Winchester, Colt, and Luger. Everything else is, at best, second-rate.
Winchesters and Colts tell the familiar story of winning the West along with two World Wars. The Luger story is more complicated. Some people balk at its Nazi connection. But its original maker, Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken (German Weapons and Munitions Works), known as DWM, was a successor in interest to Ludwig Loewe & Company, an arms maker founded in 1872. In addition to the Luger, Loewe owned the production rights to some of the finest contemporary firearms such as Mauser turnbolt rifles and Smith & Wesson break-open revolvers. This provenance makes the Luger a Jewish gun par excellence. My 1918 DWM P08 and 1917 DWM LP08 put me in touch with my inner Ernst Kantorowicz, who, but for an accident of Semitic birth, might have made an excellent Nazi.
Swiss Lugers come with their own tales of peaceful exploits, of which this one is my favorite. But collecting Lugers and Colts is a prohibitive pursuit for plebeians, with the finest specimens running into seven figures. The solution is to focus in the historically second rate, which need not be deficient from any other standpoint. My favorite autopistol is the SIG P210. For its close wheelgun counterpart, I recommend the Manurhin MR73, the last and best revolver to be designed and adopted for constabulary service. Apart from the gloomy Olivier Marchand polar, my favorite MR73 story unfolded on the day after Christmas of 1994, when Captain Thierry P. of GIGN entered the hijacked Air France Flight 8969 plane, grounded at the Marseille airport. He served as the point shooter, armed with a 5¼" .357 Magnum Manurhin MR73 and backed by his partner Eric carrying a 9mm HK05 submachine gun. Thierry killed two Islamist terrorists and wounded a third with his revolver, before taking seven bullets from an AK47 fired by the fourth hijacker. In spite of then absorbing a full complement of grenade shrapnel in his lower body, Thierry P. survived the assault, as also did 171 hostages. Not so the four terrorists, who had been planning to deploy the plane as an incendiary missile against the Eiffel Tower. Thierry could have armed himself with any firearm. He chose an MR73. I have mine at my side right now.
Unlike the 1873 and 1911 Colts or various Lugers, the P210 and the MR73 remain largely unresearched and ill-documented. This factor represents an advantage to the beginning collector, enabling him to build a world-class collection at the cost well below that commanded by the finest specimens of more historic brand. French and Swiss firearm traditions are as storied as the American one, distinguishing themselves by the invention of smokeless powder and the first adoption of an autopistol into military service. Dedicating yourself to their study and commemoration is an immensely rewarding project.
Tags: guns, manurhin, mr73, p210, sig
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02:15 am
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sig p210 redux
On 3 October 2008, a new gun factory bearing the name of Waffenfabrik Neuhausen AG was founded in Switzerland with startup capital of one million Swiss franks. Its founder is Ulli Sigloch of the precision machining firm Swiss Tec AG. Waffenfabrik Neuhausen has announced its intent to resume the production of the P210 pistol starting in January 2009.
The inchoative enterprise has already attracted criticism from the pacifist Gruppe für eine Schweiz ohne Armee (GSoA), militating for Switzerland without an army. GSoA spokesman Tom Cassee stated: “Anyone who makes and sells a weapon, must be aware of the risk that innocent people could be killed.” Matthias Knill of Waffenfabrik Neuhausen defends his enterprise by noting that handguns are needed to secure peace and order: “Major target markets of Waffenfabrik Neuhausen are accordingly not only the Swiss army, but also the police and special forces.”
— The author thanks Frank “Guisan” van Binnendijk for bringing this development to his attention.
Tags: guns, p210
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05:55 pm
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“must haves” from neuhausen and murgenthal
For the dedicated SIG collector, here are two lots from the upcoming Hermann Historica auction to be conducted on Monday and Tuesday, 6-7 October 2008. Telephone bids are accepted up to 24 hours before the beginning of bidding. I have saved for our posterity all lot descriptions and high resolution images graciously provided by the auction house.
Lot Nr.2604:A Mannlicher Mod. 1896/1897 (“Österr. Mauser”), calibre 7.65 Mannlicher, no. 50. Bright bore, barrel length 120 mm. Looped front sight. 6-shot. Manufactured by Schweizerische Industriegesellschaft, Neuhausen. Bern proof mark on barrel root: “BP”. No further inscriptions or names. Blowback system. Side cocking lever on right side of housing. Complete original finish with storage marks, only handled with utmost care. Lock and small parts polished white. Matching-numbered dark walnut grip panels with fine chequering. Lanyard loop. Magazine no. 27. Extremely rare pistol in almost new condition.
Erwerbsscheinpflichtig. Condition: I- Limit: 6000 EURO ( Read more... )
Lot Nr.2619:The SIG P 210 pistol “La Gazza Ladra”, calibre 9 mm Parabellum, named “La Gazza Ladra”. Based on Gioachino Rossini’s (1792-1868) opera semiseria La Gazza Ladra (The Thieving Magpie). The Swiss silver and gunsmith Vivian Mueller created this unique weapon. The left grip panel shows the opera’s main character, the maid Ninetta, whereas the right one follows the theme of the opera by presenting a magpie. The engravings have been cut al fresco, the gilded areas are burnished by way of a diamond crown. Applying the so-called PVD method (physical vapour deposit) Titan and gold vapors were deposited in a high-vacuum in order to create a deep blue gleaming surface. Thanks to this method the weapon need not be oiled or otherwise protected against corrosion.
The pistol was the first prize in a competition commemorating the 35th anniversary of DWJ (Deutsches Waffen Journal no. 8/2000), which is mentioned on a badge inside the accompanying root wood case.
Vivian Mueller from Mueller Murgenthal Ltd. belongs to the international elite of arms refiners. His works can be found both in Buckingham Palace as in possession of the Sultan of Brunei. Apart from this pistol his most famous masterpieces are “Helvetia” (DWJ 12/99) and “Doppelte Lottchen” (Lottie and Lisa), (DWJ 3/99). As new unique specimen.
Erwerbsscheinpflichtig. Condition: I Limit: 20000 EURO
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03:16 am
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kuba si
This pistol is part of the final delivery of the so-called “Kuba Pistolen” to Hoffmann & Reinhardt of Zürich. ( Read more... )“Kuba Pistolen” command high prices, owing to only 59 pieces ever having been made. As Vetter notes in his account, their serial numbers duplicate those used in the earlier production run of commercial SP47/8 pistols. This situation highlights the general difficulty of establishing delivery dates for P210 pistols. Most commercial P210 deliveries came with a test target. In most cases, that target noted its ammunition lot date. Many earlier targets also included the test date. For example, the test target for the SIG P210-6 numbered P 64930 lists “Munition” as 23.5.60 and “Datum” as 7. April 1970. These delivery dates are of critical interest under U.S. law, which exempts older firearms from many regulations under the designation of Curios & Relics. C&R handguns are exempt from the CA DOJ Certified Handgun Roster. As defined in Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations, § 478.11, C&R firearms include all “[f]irearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof”. The same Title 27 C.F.R. § 479.102, identifies the firearm with its frame or receiver. Thus all pistols built on frames delivered by their makers at least 50 years ago, qualify as C&R under U.S. law. This pistol was assembled in 1951, but delivered in 1966, with its slide specially hardened in the interim. Depending on the interpretation of the cited statutes, it may or may not qualify as a C&R firearm as of 2008.
The following chart correlates serial numbers with delivery dates and model designations. ( Read more... ) —The author thanks Paul Kümin for his kind contributions of information incorporated in this article. If you own a SIG P210 with a test target that indicates the date of its shooting, please send its copy to the author as an email attachment, for incorporation into this list.
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12:20 pm
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what is wrong with the 1911 design?
Two or three things. The P210 design is much better.
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07:34 pm
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sig p210
SIG: Schweizerische Industrie-Gesellschaft
The SIG P210 pistol was created in 1947 by Schweizerische Industrie-Gesellschaft, also known by the acronym SIG. Founded in 1853 as a train car manufacturing plant in Neuhausen am Rheinfall, Switzerland by Friedrich Peyer, Conrad Neher, and Heinrich Moser, SIG started making small arms in 1860. Three years later, master locksmith Johann Ulrich Hämmerli established his company in Lenzburg, Switzerland, to fulfill the Swiss army order for rifle barrel manufacture. Serving the Swiss passion for bullseye shooting, Hämmerli became a world-class maker of target firearms for 50-meter pistol and 300-meter rifle competition. In 1921 Ulrich’s son Rudolf took over the family business. After Rudolf’s death in 1947, Hämmerli was sold and converted into a joint stock company. Meanwhile, SIG fulfilled numerous Swiss government and private orders for military small arms and their commercial counterparts. Its designs for the delayed blowback Sturmgewehre 57 and gas-operated Sturmgewehre 90 were adopted as Swiss official issue rifles. Their commercial derivatives in the SIG 510 and 550 series are regarded as the finest weapons of their type ever made. ( Read more... )
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